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- grumpywood - 19-Feb-2011
I have detected this smell in Longton. We all need to complain to the council and environment agency.
- Top Cat - 19-Feb-2011
Reply to Cindy. If you live next door to a farm, particularly if you buy a house next door to a farm, you can expect to smell farmyard smells; and particularly at muck spreading times. If you live in a semi rural residential area you should not have to put up with unnatural smells which (despite assurances from Global Renewables) might contain toxins or bio aerosols and could well be injurous to health.
- filmoss - 20-Feb-2011
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Originally posted by Top Cat
Reply to Cindy. If you live next door to a farm, particularly if you buy a house next door to a farm, you can expect to smell farmyard smells; and particularly at muck spreading times. If you live in a semi rural residential area you should not have to put up with unnatural smells which (despite assurances from Global Renewables) might contain toxins or bio aerosols and could well be injurous to health.
TC hits the nail right on the head ! The plant in Germany got shut down for the same reason ( obnoxious odours ) and so should this one unless they change things ! The smell is obnoxious and even if it doesn't contain toxins, the smell enough is reason to act ! [xx(]
- Top Cat - 20-Feb-2011
The apology and explanation from Global Renewables Chief Excutive David Brewer throws up more questions than it answers. Mr Brewer says: "We have a number of systems in place to prevent odours but unfortunately we have experienced some temporary technical problems in recent days. We have completed repairs to our air extract systems and these should have led to an immediate improvement but the problems are not yet fully resolved."
Firstly Mr Brewer says "in recent days" but to my personal knowledge, and sense of smell, these odours have been around since early January, and some people have reported as smelling them as early as December. How come Global Renewables monitoring systems did not detect the smells until they were told about them?
Secondly he says "a number of systems in place to prevent odours". How come that all these systems have apparently failed simultaneously?
Thirdly he says "completed repairs......these should have led to an immediate improvement". This poses at least two questions "How come their systems have broken down after only 3 or 4 months, and WHY haven't the repairs worked? It would suggest that they really don't know the answers.
LCC and Global Renewables, at the planning and consultation stage (I use the word consulation with a measure of sarcasm) said: "WE DIDN'T GET IT RIGHT IN AUSTRALIA. WE DIDN'T GET IT RIGHT IN GERMANY. BUT DON'T WORRY THIS IS A DIFFERENT SYSTEM NOW AND WE WILL GET IT RIGHT IN LANCASHIRE" Some news for you Mr Brewer, YOU STILL HAVEN'T GOT IT RIGHT. PERHAPS THE SMELL IS COMING FROM THOSE PIGS CIRCLING OVER THE WASTE PLANT.
- noel - 22-Feb-2011
Wasn't the meeting planned for yesterday TC? 21st Feb?
- Top Cat - 23-Feb-2011
At the Liaison Meeting at the Waste Plant on Monday evening (which went on for over 3 hours) Global Renewables acknowledged that there was a fault with their bio-filters, and apologised. They stated that they had even considered suspending operations but that would have caused more problems than it would have solved. As I understand their explanation apparently the bio-filters had been made too wet at the commissioning stage and this had caused the bacteria??? which digest the smells to die off/be lethargic and this had allowed smells to escape into the atmosphere along with the water vapours which people will have seen coming from four vents on the plant roof. The bio-filters have now been re-energised with some form of yeast compound (which people may have smelled last Friday) BUT it will be some 8 weeks before the filters are again fully up to speed and before the smells (hopefully) stop totally. In the meantime LCC are imposing substantial financial penalties against Global Renewables for non compliance with environmental standards, and the monies will be applied for the benefit of people who have suffered ie Farington and Farington Moss. No one knows yet how much money there might be; it depends on many factors and for how long the nuisance continues; but Co. Cllr. Mike Otter, who chairs the Liaison Cttee. would welcome suggestions for projects etc. I suggested that the money should be given to RAWS in order that they could take Global Renewables and the LCC back to Court but the LCC did not like that one. I think it rather ironic that the LCC are applying penalties when they are largely responsible for this debacle by having built the plant in a residential area in the first place. The Environment Agency were present at the meeting and were quite scathing about Global Renewables, both with the delays in addressing the problems and with their lack of communication to the public. Perhaps they might prosecute and close the plant if the situation demands it. There is to be an extra meeting at the plant on Monday 21 Marchy at 6.30 p.m. Meanwhile when you continue to smell the smells, or have other complaints contact Global Renewables on 0800 633 5463 and/or the Environment Agency on 0800 80 70 60.
- anacortesdamp - 23-Feb-2011
Someone in the major media should publicise this debacle world wide so that these clowns can't con anyone else.
Frank
- sandyship - 23-Feb-2011
I think Frank is right you guys should kick up a stink(pardon the pun) with the media and maybe something will be done that is faster and more effective long term. I can't imagine having to live with a continuous yucky smell around. sandy
- noel - 23-Feb-2011
I've contacted the LEP (Lancashire Evening Post) and they wanted to do an article on it. Unfortunately I was away when they e-mailed me. I've been in touch again since I got back so we'll wait and see.
- Peter Harris - 23-Feb-2011
The main issue to push with landfill is that the products of rubbish decomposition become hazardous substances as they decompose - really nasty ones that get worse. If you have surface smells it is because there is leakage of gas. The cap soil over the rubbish is supposed to provide a seal, as with a gas reservoir. If you can smell anything it is because it is not sealed. Companies that do this work want to extract the gas later for local power generation in engines, so any loss is not in their economic interests. The second issue is that whilst gases are formed, so are the hazardous liquids that result from decomposition, a really nasty group of materials that the design should have allowed for with a lower level membrane. If that leaks, you have the possibility of the leakage entering the water table and causing lots of other health problems, particularly if bore water is used nearby for agriculture or potable water. Sounds bad to me - You need someone with a bit of technical knowledge to fill the reporters head with conspiracy and health scare issues to get some action.