After reading some of the postings on this thread it seems to me like some of you think that one day Geo. W. Bush just decided to depose Saddam ? You seem to think it was just he, without any consultation what-so-ever, decided to attack. Now come on folks, I'm a registered Democrat, but even I know full well that he had many, many meetings, with not only his own cabinet, but with other world leaders before any decision was made to depose Saddam.
No one could have foretold what was about to happen once that despot was gone. No one, including the 'I could have told you so' brigade on this thread, could have imagined that such an insurgency would take place.
Now come on, you may not have agreed with the way Saddam was removed, but please, stop trying to tell us that YOU knew this awful insurgency would happen.
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Well I for one am not ashamed to admit having grave doubts at the time about the wisdom of decisions to invade Iraq and also feared the sort of mess that was likely to follow.
Lessons of history and all that!
That is NOT the same as saying now 'I told you so'.
However as individuals we now have little chance to change anything .
We can however look after our own back yards and as I said previously trust that our intelligence services and police are trying to protect us as much as possible from the enemy within and co-operate with other countries who are trying to do the same.
Maybe mistakes are made based on suspect information as in Forest Gate but look at the number of potentially dangerous groups which have been apprehended lately not just in this country but in Canada and America.
Let's support them and forget this P.C. stuff.
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IMO, George wanted to show his Dad how it should've been done and fudged all the intelligence data to support going to war. The sooner that encephelophallic is out of the White House the better. Unfortunately, if he goes before his term is up we'd get Dick Cheney.
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There is a alot of good going on in Iraq but as someone said its not "new's worthy" better tell how soldiers are dying and innocent people being killed. Lets make the soldiers life more difficult by reporting on what might have happened instead of what really happened. "Not newsworthy". Lets show all the bombed out area's not the new hospitals or the marsh land back to its original use or countless schools opened and girls being given a chance.... not newsworthy. Democrats in the US have their talking points and they wont change even if good news comes out of Iraq they find something bad to say about it. I am waiting for a politician to speak the truth and to heck with what other people think never mind if its not what everyone wants to hear just speak the truth. I think I will have along time to wait for that. They just say what they think will get them votes.
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I have kept an eye on this thread as time permits, and have read with interest the many comments and observations made by the various members, and feel that Davids comments regarding: 'No one, including the "I could have told you so' brigade on this thread, could have imagined that such an insurgency would take place" - is nothing short of ridiculous!! I for one, wrote an letter about the repercussions of such an ill advised venture, and highlighted this very fact. Frank touched on the situation in his posting on 22 Jun 2006 03:44:06 and brought what I felt was the most valid point of all to the subject, regarding the animosity and the hatred that exists between the various factions, and tribes, and of people that have no national heritage, pride or commonality of either experience or belief, each faction and tribe fighting to become a dominent force, be it a majority or minority group. Holding together such groups in an enforced Common Country where such hatred exists between each of the rival factions, can only be done by considerable and overpowering force, and a system that checks insurgency street by street, town by town, and comes down hard on any insurrection before it has time to germinate and grow, which is what the Ba'th Party was all about. Take away this system, and you are left with no system at all, whereby the rival groups are left to argue and fight it out, group against group, each having their own agenda for requiring success, and each surrounding Country supporting the group most closely allied to their own borders, beliefs and culture, compounding the problem many fold. Whilst - in the eyes of most Iraqis - the hated West try to cobble together a group of sworn enemies, and a hotch-potch of ethnic cultures into some sort of semblance of a Democratic government, a vacuum exists, and has existed for a long enough time to allow other, even more hard-line groups to infiltrate and capitalise on the situation, and play one group off against the other, once this becomes established and entrenched, the more likely it is that the Country will descend into complete and utter chaos, and possible civil war. And I think that it is fair to say that to an American or British Soldier, one person from that part of the world will look very much like another, to them, a Soldier will stand out like a 'Sore Thumb' and sadly, a real fear that there may be a lot more bombing, suffering and dying yet to come. Finally, I think Noel summed it up - if the hornets are contained in their nest, and are not really bothering anybody else, apart from may be a bit of posturing, why then go and give it a poke!! but there again, they are not sat on the second biggest oil reserves in the world are they. Finally, although probably impossible to find out, it be would be very interesting to know, just how many "totally innocent" people are now suffering and dying in Iraq now, as a result of the War, than did under the 'so called' evil hand of Saddam Hussein.
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MIO 'so called' evil hand of Saddam Hussein. I give up. Leave them alone. That's fine if your not the one's getting killed, doesnt matter how much people prove that evil was being done there will always be those who would rather turn their backs on evil and leave it alone. Shame is eventually it will overflow into the rest of the world. What a sad statement you made. I suppose before the second world war you would have left things as they where and turned your back on what was going on in Europe. Then where would we have been like someone said...speaking German. What about all the children that died under Saddams rule was thats okay. How about the jail's that they put children in so they could blackmail their parents was that alright or did that not happen, was that all made up lastly how many 'totally innocent' people would have died if Saddam had still been in power.
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I suspect the numbers of innocents murdered under Saddam during the period of and following the invasion would have been a fraction of the numbers killed by the bombing and subsequant killings by insurgents.
I would imagine that many Americans didn't have a clue where Iraq was before the bombings.
I know that if any of my family had been killed in this war I wouldn't be for forgiving Bush or Blair. To hell with them, you wouldn't see them on the front line that's for sure.
And talk about 2 American soldiers as this thread began, what about the 7 British soldiers killed by "Friendly Fire " by the Americans. I bet that wasn't publicised in the USA.
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This thread did indeed begin with the two American soldiers and the lack of details in how they died presumably to avoid further inflaming the anger of the public generally.
Has there been any more in the American Press !
Nothing in this country that I have seen or indeed of the Russian diplomats who were recently captured and presumably 'executed'
There has been a dearth of information in that regard.
Reminds me of the lack of coverage of Margaret Hassan's death at the hands of terrorists-a woman who worked tirelessly for the good of the Iraqi people.
We are being fed so much information and no more, so the majority just go on with a diet of bread and circuses.
Let's just get out and nuke the whole sick region.
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